There is a new blogger in town, talking about barbecue in Georgia, and one of his first posts takes on Swallow At the Hollow. He’s generally polite about the experience, but notes that they don’t smoke their ribs. That’s an experience I’ve noted and so has Cynical Cook. I’m hoping he isn’t in for the amount of nonsense I’ve suffered in various parts for being impertinent enough to make such a statement. The online issues are noticeable.

To be plain, there are some restaurants that gather zealous online fans. Cans Taqueria is one. And the more I think about it, Swallow at the Hollow is another. It’s as if any direct statement of the form “Swallow just doesn’t produce competition style ribs” — which IMO, they don’t — is immediately challenged, largely by huge doses of online testosterone, and occasionally, by the totally mystifying media post.

There is a pretty colorful quote by Trevanian that correlates the size of a Frenchman’s “ego” and the way he drives his car. The same can be said for certain fan’s reactions to their favorite restaurants.

Somewhat less cynically, there are (simplified) two camps of barbecue eaters. There are those who want their ribs richly smoked and others that want them fall off the bone tender. Turns out, you can make very tender ribs with some smoke, if my recent experience at Fox Brothers is any indication, but the other camp is represented by SATH, Fat Matts (if others are correct), Smokey Bones, Golden Corral, and just about anyone who can effectively broil meat. Well smoked ribs are much harder to find, and the others, sad to say, can be found most anywhere.

The Atlanta barbecue scene is badly underestimated, it appears, even by bloggers who blog in this city. From this perspective, it’s merely a boring repetitious set of chain eateries, whose products are predictable and monotonous, and whose only differentiating factor are the sides or perhaps the sauce.

I have news for ya’ll: this also is Atlanta barbecue.

Stuffed with barbecue

See that dumpling? It comes from Canton House, the famous dim-sum place on Buford, and yes, it’s full of barbecue.

In this city, perhaps you didn’t know, but the Koreans have barbecue, the Chinese have barbecue, and the Vietnamese add barbecued meat to their banh mi.

meat on the "barby" at "Iron Age"

Honey BBQ from Ming's BBQ


Since the work barbecue itself comes in part from the Taino people of the Caribbean, it also appears that the Southern style of cooking meat is also a direct descendent of the Caribbean barbacoa.

That suggests strongly that jerk chicken, from Jamiaca and smoked, is also a style of barbecue.

Tastee's (Snellville) jerk chicken: Is this a kind of barbecue?

Is it or isn’t it? I’m not claiming barbecue expertise. I’m merely a student in this genre.

What about pastrami? It’s a smoked meat, isn’t it? How closely related is pastrami to barbecue?

Even restricting the point of view to “Southern barbecue”, I’ll note that there are two common ways to prepare meats in this “style”, and that is to smoke the meat indirectly (leads to a smoke ring and great smoke flavor), or to broil the meat and then finish it on the grill (grill lines, and fall off the bone tender). The latter is indeed favored by chain restaurants. It’s easier, and you’re in no danger of running out of product around 3 pm in the afternoon. They’re easily distinguised, by the presence or absence of smoke rings on the meat.

"Steve's Sampler" from Big Shanty Smokehouse

Getting back to Texas style barbecue: using Robb Walsh’s book as a reference, I counted 6 kinds of Texas barbecue. Using the same source, the Wikipedia counts four. Looking over various Wikipedia entries (like this one on US barbecue, and this one on Texas barbecue), the Wikipedia missed the Caddo Indian style (not common anymore), and I counted the Southern Texas style perhaps twice. So, four styles are extant currently. To note, as Robb Walsh says:

When visitors from Carolina and Tennessee come to Texas, they are generally astonished to find that we eat a lot of pork here as well as beef brisket. That’s the problem with the beef generalization. Yes, we barbecue beef – but we’re fond of other meats.

I know this to be true, for when visiting relatives in Granbury, Texas, I had some good pork ribs over in Glen Rose.

Pork ribs from Glen Rose TX. The smoke ring is clearly visible on these ribs.

If you talk to bloggers who actually smoke meats in their spare time, they’ll note a merrily promiscuous character to Atlanta barbecue. The city doesn’t appear to care what is good, it just adopts any style that tastes good. So I’ll reiterate the question that comes to me after all this:  just how many different kinds of barbecue can you count in this city?

I’ve been finding interesting links and mailing them to myself. They’ve been accumulating in an email inbox, useless to anyone. But to dig down into these links and pull out a few of note.

This  is a quote from the New York Times article on adobo, the Filipino chicken dish.

As a result, there is great fun to be had in asking Filipinos how to make adobo, particularly when they are in groups. Filipino cooking is an evolutionary masterpiece, a cuisine that includes Chinese, Spanish, American and indigenous island influences, all rolled into one. But where for one Filipino the most important aspect of the dish is Spanish, for another it is Chinese, or both, or neither. (The journalist and food historian Raymond Sokolov has made the point that the ingredients for adobo were present in the Philippines before Magellan — only the name, which comes from a Spanish word for sauce, came later. “Lexical imperialism,” he called this process.)

Husbands argue with wives about adobo. Friends shoot each other dirty looks about the necessity of including coconut milk or soy sauce in the recipe. There are disputations over the kind of vinegar to use, over the use of sugar, over the inclusion of garlic and how much of it. Some use chicken exclusively in the dish, others pork, some a combination of the two.

Adobo is commonly seen in fiestas (parties) in the Marianas, and my wife is half Micronesian. Of course I’m interested.

More Filipino goodness is this blog article on the Filipino New Years. Great pictures! And Hopeless Foodie (Filipino step mother) has an article on making lumpia.

For those interested in sushi and thus the fate of the bluefin tuna, widespread reports of quota cheating (see herehere and here) certainly dim the prospects of seeing bluefin stocks recovering. Since one of the comments Tony Bourdain makes in his last book is a lament, on why can’t smart chefs incorporate interesting but less popular fish, such as mackerel, into their menus, we then find that people are cheating when it comes to the mackerel catch too. So life goes on.

To note, the Monterey Bay aquarium keeps a list of sustainable fish, foods safe to eat.

I don’t know how many of you have seen the fake food ads on (not for the squeamish). Samples are here and here.

From this article, Marilyn Monroe could cook. It appears as if this recipe was inherited from the DiMaggio  family.

Roger Ebert, the well known movie critic, has lost his jaw and can no longer eat. But he still entertains and still cooks. This is an article about Ebert’s new cook book.

Northern Mississippi Commenter doesn’t often talk about food, but when he does, I listen. In this case he’s talking about what he considers to be good BBQ (or not) in Mississippi.

Home made inari-zushi, which was delicious.


Seen at Target, a home sized molcajete.


Seen around town, these tiny Smart Cars.


Seen at a party recently held, the Smoke Jack truck, a catering and restaurant firm out of Alpharetta, showing off their wares.



We picked up my mother-in-law and brother-in-law from the airport recently. My brother-in-law will be here briefly, and my mother-in-law is here for an extended stay. She was formerly from Kagoshima Prefecture in Japan, and met my father-in-law (now deceased) some time after the war. They married and stayed married until my father-in-law passed away.  As she then had to raise 4 kids by herself on a clerk’s salary, I admire and respect her toughness.

In any event, my in-laws told us days in advance that they wanted to go to Cho Wan Korean Buffet. I’ve said before this restaurant is a favorite with my family. Recently, Tasty Chomps reviewed the restaurant, an excellent review with a lot of good pictures.



Though this restaurant has some sushi, and various side dishes, to a first approximation, this restaurants is about the meats.




You can get chicken, pork, beef, bacon, octopus, and shrimp here. The meat is cooked on your table. Waitstaff does most of the cooking, even if you end up choosing your meats. You can get condiments of various kinds: things like jalapenos, sliced garlic, and lettuce leaves. The leaves are used to wrap meats, and if you want, you can add grilled onions, or cook some of your garlic until it is browned, and add it to the leaf.


They have rice in the back, and a couple soups as well. The pickles, of various kinds, are quite good.




The waitstaff were doting to my mother-in-law, making sure she had her share of meats, and fetched sauces for her, explaining their use. The lighter sauce in this picture is for bacon, they said, and the darker sauce is for beef.


When we left, there was a Volkswagon Beetle in the lot with a pretty interesting pair of head rests. The restaurant was also filling up, and people were walking to the restaurant as the parking lot around the restaurant was completely filled.


Cho Wan Korean Buffet
3635 Satellite Blvd
Duluth, GA 30096
(770) 476-0458

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Good barbecue is worth a bit of a drive, even in lousy weather. My wife was talking about barbecue, wanting barbecue and I was wanting to not take any chances.  It had been raining off and on all day and I didn’t want to travel too far. But traveling for ordinary food and traveling for barbecue are two separate things.

Fox Bros BBQ was close enough to Little Five Points to make me worry about parking. Fox’s lot has been described in a couple blogs as “chaotic”. But my wife hadn’t had good ribs in ages, it was a holiday weekend, and the opportunity was worth a little risk. I used an online mapping service, obtained directions to the restaurant, and we dove into the middle of Atlanta down highway 78.

I almost ran past the place, and luckily slowed down in time to make the second entrance. Once we did, a car signaled that it was about to leave, and we waited, waited, and got a spot in a totally crowded parking lot. Once in the restaurant, they told us it would be a 15-20 minute wait. Clouds were overhead, and as we waited outside, I kept glancing at the sky, hoping it wouldn’t rain.

Fox BBQ is a place with a formidable reputation. When the AJC published an article about the Atlanta BBQ club, the “kill a tree” version had pictures of the club founders at Fox BBQ. When the AJC recently asked who had the best BBQ in Georgia, Fox BBQ was easily in the top 10, without a single complaint. Creative Loafing has reviewed Fox at least three times.  There are multiple bloggers who have commented favorably on the place (reviews are here, here, here, here, and here).

Once we were seated, things began looking up. We got drinks and I made sure to order the fried pickles. Drinks and pickles came quickly and my wife ordered the half rack of ribs ($13.95). I ordered the 2 meat plate ($14.95), with beef brisket and pulled pork, and my daughter ordered a pulled pork sandwich ($7.95, if I recall correctly). So we then tried the pickles and they were surprising, surprisingly sour and suprisingly good. I wouldn’t have believed the flavors would work with the ranch dip either but they did. Even my daughter, who was a bit aloof initially, made sure she had her share of the pickles.

When the entrees arrived, amidst the sound of rain and the flash of lightning, I knew we wouldn’t finish them. The serving size was enormous. But we tried each of the meats in turn. The pulled pork had a real crust, had a smoke ring, and was melt in your mouth tender. The brisket had a smoke ring and had real smoke flavor. The ribs, sometimes described as dry, were smoky, tender and juicy all at the same time.

The sides were excellent. Great baked beans, great collard greens, a good jalapeno corn bread, and the green beans were mixed with a little tomato and a little heat. The fried okra were okra split lengthwise and then coated in batter and fried. They were all excellent, and about the only place I could compare them to locally would be the sides at Matthews Cafeteria.

The whole meal was, to borrow a baseball phrase, a home run.

Service was excellent and the busing of tables incredibly fast. My wife loved our waitress and she’s usually the hard one to please. And yes, we took home food from every plate on the tables. We couldn’t finish any of it (well, I finished my pulled pork, but that’s it).

Verdict: Highly recommended. Great entrees, excellent sides, service was top notch. Absolutely worth the drive from Snellville, even in the rain.

Fox Brothers Bar-B-Q
1238 Dekalb Ave
Atlanta, GA 30307
(404) 577-4030

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Fresh Air is an inconspicuous restaurant in Macon Georgia, that is near exit 167 on Interstate 75. If you exit 167 while heading south, turn right on the feeder and follow it for 2-3 miles. When you see a Gold’s Gym sign and then a Longhorns, start looking. Fresh Air is a bit behind the Longhorns.

The location of the restaurant is good, near the intersection of I-16 and I-75, and it is the winner, by far, of a AJC blog article that asked what the best barbecue in Georgia was. We have been traveling a bit recently and decided to stop here while passing through Macon.

Inside, it’s as modest a restaurant as it was outside. There was an equally modest menu, with three plates, a BBQ plate, a pulled pork plate, and a chicken plate. My wife ordered the rib plate (around $9.20), I had the pulled pork plate (less than $7.00), and my daughter had their pulled pork sandwich ($2.49 iirc). On the table there were two barbecue sauces, one hot and one mild.

The pulled pork was moist and tender, and covered a bit with a reddish sauce. When I first tried the pork, the taste hit me and I wasn’t quite used to it. After trying the hot barbecue sauce, it became apparent that the sauce (and therefore the pulled pork) had a really big vinegar based kick. And though the first sensation you taste in the sauce is the sour of the vinegar, the sauce then gives a fair amount of spicy heat, showing a bit of complexity.

I’m not much for vinegar sauces, but I liked Fresh Air’s sauce. I’ve never been able to eat Brunswick stew before, but I could eat Fresh Air’s Brunswick stew. My wife loved the beans she had. All the sides were good, in our estimation.  The ribs were not bad, not the best. They were tender, but didn’t have as much smoky flavor as I’d like. My daughter gobbled down her sandwich. She obviously wasn’t complaining.

Overall, I thought the restaurant was good. The inexpensive plates and especially the pulled pork sandwiches make this restaurant a great value, especially for families on a budget.

Fresh Air Bar-B-Que on Urbanspoon

This is an extended version of the list we published here.


Restaurant                                        Score  Percentage Approval
Fresh Air, Jackson GA and Macon GA                 55.0       93.7%
Harolds, McDonough Blvd, Lakewood GA               23.0       82.9%
Sam and Daves BBQ1, Marietta, GA                   16.5       88.1%
Fatt Matts, Atl                                    14.5       67.1%
Fincher's, Houston Ave, Macon                      13.5       86.1%
Fox Brothers BBQ, DeKalb Ave                       12.0      100.0%
Two Brothers BBQ, Ballground                       12.0       87.5%
Swallow in the Hollow, Roswell                     11.0       91.7%
Dean's, Jonesboro                                  10.0      100.0%
Hudson's Hickory House, US 78, Douglasville        10.0      100.0%
JJ's Rib Shack, Campbellton Road                   10.0       91.7%
Sconyers, Augusta GA                               10.0      100.0%
Vandy's, Statesboro                                10.0       85.7%
Old Clinton's BBQ, between Macon and Gray           9.0      100.0%
Johnny's, Gainsville                                8.0      100.0%
Old Hickory House, Tucker                           8.0      100.0%
Slopes                                              8.0       83.3%
Chester's, Columbus                                 7.0      100.0%
Smokey Pig, Columbus                                7.0      100.0%
Macon Road BBQ, 1-185, Columbus                     7.0      100.0%
Williamson Brothers, Marietta                       7.0       70.6%
BBQ Shack, Toccoa                                   6.0      100.0%
Brinsons BBQ, near Savannah                         6.0      100.0%
Holcombe's BBQ, White Plains                        6.0      100.0%
Sprayberry's, Newnan                                6.0       63.6%
Zebs, Hwy 29, between Danielsville and Royston      6.0       87.5%
Brick Pit, Peachtree Industrial, Chamblee           5.0      100.0%
GA Pig, Brunswick                                   5.0       85.7%
KC Pitt BBQ, Sandy Springs                          5.0       85.7%
One Star Ranch, Buckhead or Alpharetta              5.0      100.0%
Smokehouse, Oakwood GA                              5.0      100.0%
Maddies, Scott Boulevard                            4.5       78.6%
Old South, Windy Hill, Smyrna                       4.5       72.2%
Hickory Pig, Gainsville GA                          4.0      100.0%
Jim and Nicks                                       4.0       83.3%
Paul's BBQ, Lexington GA                            4.0      100.0%
Piggy Park, Thomaston                               4.0      100.0%
Pooles Real Pit BBQ, Ellijay                        4.0       66.7%
Spiced Right, Roswell                               4.0       83.3%
Stinson's BBQ, near Millen                          4.0      100.0%
Zeiglers BBQ, Acworth                               4.0      100.0%
Beachcomber, St. Simons Island                      3.0      100.0%
Cafe Pig, Peachtree City                            3.0      100.0%
Dusty's, near Emory -Clifton and Briarcliff         3.0       66.7%
Harry's BBQ, Claxton GA US 280                      3.0      100.0%
Heavy's, Crawfordville                              3.0      100.0%
Southern Soul BBQ, St. Simons                       3.0      100.0%
Jot 'EM Down, Athens, GA                            3.0      100.0%
Mad Dog's BBQ, Conyers                              3.0      100.0%
Mike and Ed's, Columbus                             3.0      100.0%
Oinkers, Clayton GA                                 3.0      100.0%
Pig and Chick, Peachtree Industrial Road            3.0       71.4%
Pig in a Pit, Bass Road, Macon                      3.0      100.0%
Purvis, Louisville GA                               3.0      100.0%
Rib Country, Blairsville                            3.0      100.0%
Rib Ranch, Marietta                                 3.0      100.0%
Satterfield's, Macon                                3.0       80.0%
Scott's BBQ, Cochran                                3.0      100.0%
Scott's Walk up BBQ, Cartersville                   3.0      100.0%
Spiced Right, Lilburn                               3.0       80.0%
White Diamond BBQ, Bonaire                          3.0      100.0%

Scoring is described in the older article. In summary, each restaurant gets a point for a single approval noted in the AJC thread. A neutral response nets a half point. A negative response nets -1 point. Percentages are calculated via scoring 1 point for positive and a half point for a neutral response divided by the total number of votes of any kind (times 100).

Some comments are worth noting. Score isn’t nearly as important as reading the thread and finding restaurants that fit your personal style. My family found Mad Dog’s BBQ in Conyers by noting the raving people did over their smoked ribs. Although 50 people liked Fresh Air, you may not. Although Louis Grizzard liked Sprayberries in Newnan, a lot of people didn’t like it. Individual tastes are too different for me to tell any one person what they personally will like. Each individual has to be their own judge.

There was a long and interesting post in the Atlanta Journal and Constitution blog that people answered for days and weeks, giving their opinions of what the best barbecue in Georgia is. I took some time, read every post, scored every favorable comment, every negative comment, and every eh, it’s ok comment. Coming up with a score based on the comments, I rank the best of Georgia as so:

Fresh Air, Jackson GA and Macon GA                 55.0  93.7%
Harolds, McDonough Blvd, Lakewood GA               23.0  82.9%
Sam and Daves BBQ1, Marietta, GA                   16.5  88.1%
Fatt Matts, Atl                                    14.5  67.1%
Fincher's, Houston Ave, Macon                      13.5  86.1%
Fox Brothers BBQ, DeKalb Ave                       12.0 100.0%
Two Brothers BBQ, Ballground                       12.0  87.5%
Swallow in the Hollow, Roswell                     11.0  91.7%
Dean's, Jonesboro                                  10.0 100.0%
Hudson's Hickory House, US 78, Douglasville        10.0 100.0%
JJ's Rib Shack, Campbellton Road                   10.0  91.7%
Sconyers, Augusta GA                               10.0 100.0%
Vandy's, Statesboro                                10.0  85.7%

The first number after the name of the restaurant is the score, which is a point for each positive vote, 1/2 point for a ok vote and -1 for a negative vote. The percentage is the percentage of favorable votes, expressed as a point for a positive vote, 1/2 point for a negative vote and that total divided by all votes for the restaurant. We would have simply left this as the top 10, but 9-13 were a tie, so far as we were concerned, so we’ve posted the top 13. If you want to know more about individual restaurants, please read the accompanying link.

I have a large, multiethnic family, with people of most races, creeds, colors. And when we are entertaining guests, we keep an eye to places that can both feed everyone and offer value.  More members than not like spicy foods, and like a lot of it.  And in that vein, back in the day when Bites was an active restaurant we would take my family there.  Understand, my wife generally does not like coconut milk or mint in her foods, and she would regularly request to go to Bites.

Bites is gone now, replaced by Thooms, and the food, while good, isn’t crafted the way the former Bites owner would do. Eric’s masaman beef dishes were a work of art.  But hopefully Tammy and Eric are enjoying their retirement. Toward the end you could see how weary the job would make Tammy.

In the strip malls on the south side of Pleasant Hill, just west of the Pleasant Hill I-85 intersection, are a number of restaurants I take seriously. To mention three,  there is Haru Ichiban, which I consider to be one of the best Japanese restaurants in town (my mother in law is Japanese. I have a little familiarity with the cuisine). There is Sydney’s, a buffet style restaurant that is sometimes really good and sometimes not. Third, a converted  Black Eyed Pea has become one of the more unusual Korean restaurants I’ve seen, Cho Wan BBQ of Duluth.

Korean BBQ has been in this town forever, but it was cooked for you. At Cho Wan the meat is all you can eat. You select the meats yourself, you cook the barbecue yourself, at your table. When it opened it was packed. Korean families in tens and twenties filled the restaurant and the average food bill (they had too many bills to hide them) were running about $300.00 – 500.00. I asked relatives in San Francisco, former coworkers in New York City, net-friends in Seattle whether they had heard of any other Korean restaurant using this arrangement. And at the time I heard of no one else doing this.

Cho Wan succeeds because it’s a “one of” in Atlanta, and the price is not exceptional if you’re prepared to eat a lot of BBQ. This restaurant is what my relatives from San Francisco ask to go to when they are in town. This is where my sister-in-law celebrated her birthday. This is where my wife celebrated her last birthday.  In the price/value equation, this restaurant hits a sweet spot with my family.

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